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Does the average CCW holder need a BUG?

No, the average person doesn't need a BUG, but a spare mag is good.
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45%
Yes, all CCW holders should carry and also have a BUG.
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5%
No, only on-duty police need a BUG.
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No votes
No, that's what a knife is for, and a flashlight with a crenelated bezel, and maybe pepper spray too.
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20%
No, it's enough just getting CCW holders to carry.
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15%
Yes, Chicago, Baltimore, Newark, Detroit, etc.
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15%
 
Total votes: 20

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For newbies, BUG means back up (hand)gun.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/network-to ... ackup-gun/

Excellent article online from Shooting Times magazine, on the great variety of BUGs available--mostly pocket-sized.

In reading the article, I thought about the idea that in most situations, people who carry a handgun don't need to also carry a BUG.
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Why does it have to be about "need"? That's how all this gun control stuff got started.
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I don't feel the need to carry a BUG in my AO. I have recently ditched the single stack guns in favor of a service sized pistol and have found a way to carry it comfortably. I also always carry my izula and 1L flashlight. A spare mag depending where were traveling but generally I fell comfortable enough with 15+1 (live in a rural area)

I will say it seems like our country is spiraling downwards and i'm considering a slim pistol like an LCP or P32 to be armed rather than not in certain circumstances. and also leaning towards putting a long gun in the vehicle in the event of an civil unrest (I work near a plethora of "correctional facilities")
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A spare mag is definitely a good idea since many stoppages are magazine related. While a BUG is always good insurance, I don't think it is really needed.

Still, if you have a way to carry it, why not?
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I voted A: spare mag, and D: non-ammo dependent defensive tool.

There are many situations that a person may find themselves in. Sometimes, a firearm isn't the best solution to a given problem. Such as a bystander dense Field of Fire.

If I confronted a knife-armed person, I'd prefer an edged weapon to cut their tendons, rather than pumping lead into them and hoping for a CNS disrupt that would prevent their slitting my Loved One's throat, etc.

If they are armed only w hands, then a tool that would help create leverage on a joint or nerve bundle might prove the better choice.
(Note that I said "armed w hands" rather than "unarmed." A knowledgeable person is never TRULY unarmed.)
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whiterussian1974 wrote:If I confronted a knife-armed person, I'd prefer an edged weapon to cut their tendons, rather than pumping lead into them and hoping for a CNS disrupt that would prevent their slitting my Loved One's throat, etc.

If they are armed only w hands, then a tool that would help create leverage on a joint or nerve bundle might prove the better choice.
(Note that I said "armed w hands" rather than "unarmed." A knowledgeable person is never TRULY unarmed.)
Is this real? If I am confronted with a knife-wielding individual and I have a firearm, I intend to SHOOT that person, whether or not I have a knife.

Engaging in a knife fight is abysmally foolish.

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TROOPER wrote: Is this real? If I am confronted with a knife-wielding individual and I have a firearm, I intend to SHOOT that person, whether or not I have a knife.

Engaging in a knife fight is abysmally foolish.

I'm very literally surprised that I read this from you, Whiterussian.
I have worked in emergency departments. I have seen all sorts of trauma. If I had my druthers,I would rather be shot by a fool than knifed by an expert. Knife wounds are vastly more destructive and deadly than a pistol round when done by the hands of a knowledgeable person. That being said, I still have to agree with Trooper. I don't want the BG to get close to me, and I know how to hit to stop. Plus there is the psych angle, in that most people have been programmed to be terrified of being shot.

And when I carried every day, I carried a Glock 17 with two spare mags and a folding knife.
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TROOPER wrote:
whiterussian1974 wrote:If I confronted a knife-armed person, I'd prefer an edged weapon to cut their tendons, rather than pumping lead into them and hoping for a CNS disrupt that would prevent their slitting my Loved One's throat, etc.

If they are armed only w hands, then a tool that would help create leverage on a joint or nerve bundle might prove the better choice.
(Note that I said "armed w hands" rather than "unarmed." A knowledgeable person is never TRULY unarmed.)
Is this real? If I am confronted with a knife-wielding individual and I have a firearm, I intend to SHOOT that person, whether or not I have a knife.

Engaging in a knife fight is abysmally foolish.

I'm very literally surprised that I read this from you, Whiterussian.
In the Context of the Thread and Article, I meant that after emptying 2 full magazines into someone or people, I wouldn't want to just pull a 2nd lessor pistol and try a few more shots. I'd rather switch to an exsanguination tool and also sever tendons to prevent their use of hands, arms, legs, and maybe a carotid or aorta slice would be a nice touch, too. :shock: :twisted: :wink:

That's why my vote was: spare mag, then non-ammo dependent tool.

My answer only made since when including the Foreword:
Whiterussian1974 wrote:I voted A: spare mag, and D: non-ammo dependent defensive tool.

There are many situations that a person may find themselves in. Sometimes, a firearm isn't the best solution to a given problem. Such as a bystander dense Field of Fire.
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I carry a revolver, so what good would a spare magazine be? No, I do not need a bug, but if I took the risk of carrying a semi-auto I probably would want one.
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For consideration is the present day Randall MODEL 24 – GUARDIAN
which is especially made as a back up.

"Blade sharpened 3″ with 1″ of thumb notches.
3 3/4″ Micarta handle, 3/4″ thick.

Especially designed in 1978 for use of police, undercover agents and law enforcement personnel
for self-protection and as a back-up weapon.
Concealment sheath included."

<< https://www.randallknives.com/knives/model-24-guardian/ >>

Back in 1960s the back up of choice was the Randall Knife Model 2-5 'boot knife',
Black Micarta Commando Handle. Fast easy access.
An example can be seen << https://www.ebay.com/itm/Randall-Knife- ... SwAOVdYKky >>

For present day daily a not so bad choice is the Randall Triathlete. Simple, easy, and
legal single edge.

e.g., << https://www.ebay.com/itm/RANDALL-KNIFE- ... 2474!US!-1 >>

Of course a Walther PPK in ankle holster is not to be 'tossed out of bed. :) :)
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$450? :shock: I carry a Walmart folder that cost $3.97. It is sharp as hell.
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poikilotrm wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:52 pm $450? :shock: I carry a Walmart folder that cost $3.97. It is sharp as hell.
Your observation is quite valid.

But, if you ever handle one, say at a Gun Show, you would immediately grasp that
it has become an extension of your hand... no conscious thinking when needed.

Randall's ergonomics are to combat knives what a 1911A1 with arch housing is to
a large mitt when an infrequent real world split-second event ever has presented itself.

In this vein, guess the cost of a Jerry Fisk Damascus Blade 'ARKANSAW' (sic) Bowie
for use in a shoulder rig for a long-range hunt would give someone
an immediate faint. :)

e.g., << https://www.knifetreasures.com/viewKnif ... ed_menu=13 >>

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For Knife Aficionados:


A few YouTubes on Jerry Fisk, Master Blade Smith:

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1yKD2wtpc >>

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKVz8hdMWYc >>

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBSjQFWyhM >>

Tutorial on Knife Sharpening:

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI27_EEHD0M >>
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Added most interesting information on sharpening a combat knife
by Bill Bagwell, combat instructor and blade smith.

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FqUL6slhtA >>

Next knife?
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Wonderful Folks Talking About History of Bowies and
insights that most do not know about.

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpZC0Fs-zjc >>
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