I have Sandra Snook too. At least I did for my first 2 cans. Not sure if I'll get her again for my SBR, but I was pleased. The first one was kind of long, the second took almost exactly a month. I was pretty pleased.cqbdoc10 wrote:You have Sandra Snook.
She is supposed to be one of the best examiners.
You should be happy that you have her and not someone else.
ATF continued.......
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montanabound
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av8av8r,sucks to hear about your Form 4,just to help you out here's what I found under NC General Statutes regarding MGs,silencers and the like, 14-409 only mentions MGs and other like weapons for whatever the latter means, read it and it only defines MGs.
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/S ... utesTOC.pl
§ 14‑409. Machine guns and other like weapons.
(a) As used in this section, "machine gun" or "submachine gun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to manufacture, sell, give away, dispose of, use or possess machine guns, submachine guns, or other like weapons as defined by subsection (a) of this section: Provided, however, that this subsection shall not apply to the following:
Banks, merchants, and recognized business establishments for use in their respective places of business, who shall first apply to and receive from the sheriff of the county in which said business is located, a permit to possess the said weapons for the purpose of defending the said business; officers and soldiers of the United States Army, when in discharge of their official duties, officers and soldiers of the militia when called into actual service, officers of the State, or of any county, city or town, charged with the execution of the laws of the State, when acting in the discharge of their official duties; the manufacture, use or possession of such weapons for scientific or experimental purposes when such manufacture, use or possession is lawful under federal laws and the weapon is registered with a federal agency, and when a permit to manufacture, use or possess the weapon is issued by the sheriff of the county in which the weapon is located. Provided, further, that any bona fide resident of this State who now owns a machine gun used in former wars, as a relic or souvenir, may retain and keep same as his or her property without violating the provisions of this section upon his reporting said ownership to the sheriff of the county in which said person lives.
(c) Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class I felony. (1933, c. 261, s. 1; 1959, c. 1073, s. 2; 1965, c. 1200; 1989, c. 680, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 1243; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1999‑456, s. 33(b).)
§ 14‑288.8. Manufacture, assembly, possession, storage, transportation, sale, purchase, delivery, or acquisition of weapon of mass death and destruction; exceptions.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to manufacture, assemble, possess, store, transport, sell, offer to sell, purchase, offer to purchase, deliver or give to another, or acquire any weapon of mass death and destruction.
(b) This section does not apply to:
(1) Persons exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269 with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties.
(2) Importers, manufacturers, dealers, and collectors of firearms, ammunition, or destructive devices validly licensed under the laws of the United States or the State of North Carolina, while lawfully engaged in activities authorized under their licenses.
(3) Persons under contract with the United States, the State of North Carolina, or any agency of either government, with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in under their contracts.
(4) Inventors, designers, ordnance consultants and researchers, chemists, physicists, and other persons lawfully engaged in pursuits designed to enlarge knowledge or to facilitate the creation, development, or manufacture of weapons of mass death and destruction intended for use in a manner consistent with the laws of the United States and the State of North Carolina.
(c) The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" includes:
(1) Any explosive or incendiary:
a. Bomb; or
b. Grenade; or
c. Rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces; or
d. Missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one‑quarter ounce; or
e. Mine; or
f. Device similar to any of the devices described above; or
(2) Any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell of a type particularly suitable for sporting purposes) which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one‑half inch in diameter; or
(3) Any firearm capable of fully automatic fire, any shotgun with a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any rifle with a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not such firearm is included within this definition. For the purposes of this section, rifle is defined as a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder; or
(4) Any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any weapon described above and from which a weapon of mass death and destruction may readily be assembled.
The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" does not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line‑throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of Title 10 of the United States Code; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes, in accordance with Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(d) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a Class F felony. (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1975, c. 718, ss. 6, 7; 1977, c. 810; 1983, c. 413, ss. 1, 2; 1993, c. 539, s. 1228; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2001‑470, s. 3.)
http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/S ... utesTOC.pl
§ 14‑409. Machine guns and other like weapons.
(a) As used in this section, "machine gun" or "submachine gun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
(b) It shall be unlawful for any person, firm or corporation to manufacture, sell, give away, dispose of, use or possess machine guns, submachine guns, or other like weapons as defined by subsection (a) of this section: Provided, however, that this subsection shall not apply to the following:
Banks, merchants, and recognized business establishments for use in their respective places of business, who shall first apply to and receive from the sheriff of the county in which said business is located, a permit to possess the said weapons for the purpose of defending the said business; officers and soldiers of the United States Army, when in discharge of their official duties, officers and soldiers of the militia when called into actual service, officers of the State, or of any county, city or town, charged with the execution of the laws of the State, when acting in the discharge of their official duties; the manufacture, use or possession of such weapons for scientific or experimental purposes when such manufacture, use or possession is lawful under federal laws and the weapon is registered with a federal agency, and when a permit to manufacture, use or possess the weapon is issued by the sheriff of the county in which the weapon is located. Provided, further, that any bona fide resident of this State who now owns a machine gun used in former wars, as a relic or souvenir, may retain and keep same as his or her property without violating the provisions of this section upon his reporting said ownership to the sheriff of the county in which said person lives.
(c) Any person violating any of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class I felony. (1933, c. 261, s. 1; 1959, c. 1073, s. 2; 1965, c. 1200; 1989, c. 680, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 1243; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1999‑456, s. 33(b).)
§ 14‑288.8. Manufacture, assembly, possession, storage, transportation, sale, purchase, delivery, or acquisition of weapon of mass death and destruction; exceptions.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to manufacture, assemble, possess, store, transport, sell, offer to sell, purchase, offer to purchase, deliver or give to another, or acquire any weapon of mass death and destruction.
(b) This section does not apply to:
(1) Persons exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269 with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties.
(2) Importers, manufacturers, dealers, and collectors of firearms, ammunition, or destructive devices validly licensed under the laws of the United States or the State of North Carolina, while lawfully engaged in activities authorized under their licenses.
(3) Persons under contract with the United States, the State of North Carolina, or any agency of either government, with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in under their contracts.
(4) Inventors, designers, ordnance consultants and researchers, chemists, physicists, and other persons lawfully engaged in pursuits designed to enlarge knowledge or to facilitate the creation, development, or manufacture of weapons of mass death and destruction intended for use in a manner consistent with the laws of the United States and the State of North Carolina.
(c) The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" includes:
(1) Any explosive or incendiary:
a. Bomb; or
b. Grenade; or
c. Rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces; or
d. Missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one‑quarter ounce; or
e. Mine; or
f. Device similar to any of the devices described above; or
(2) Any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell of a type particularly suitable for sporting purposes) which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one‑half inch in diameter; or
(3) Any firearm capable of fully automatic fire, any shotgun with a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any rifle with a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length or an overall length of less than 26 inches, any muffler or silencer for any firearm, whether or not such firearm is included within this definition. For the purposes of this section, rifle is defined as a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder; or
(4) Any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into any weapon described above and from which a weapon of mass death and destruction may readily be assembled.
The term "weapon of mass death and destruction" does not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line‑throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of Title 10 of the United States Code; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, is an antique, or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes, in accordance with Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(d) Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a Class F felony. (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1975, c. 718, ss. 6, 7; 1977, c. 810; 1983, c. 413, ss. 1, 2; 1993, c. 539, s. 1228; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2001‑470, s. 3.)
so I have broken a record? I went pending on 5/24 and was approved on 6/4cyclone72 wrote:pending means if your legal to have one it will be anywhere from 12 to 28 days till approval,it's purgatory really,its whan they start to review your paperwork and have not given the final nod yet.gimp2x wrote:I just checked on my form 1
mailed: 4/29
pending: 5/24
approved: ??
received: ??
What does pending mean??
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bonebreak2000
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Nah not quite. Boooo I just called. I am still in pending. Was set pending on the 25th. I'll wait another week before I check again.gimp2x wrote:so I have broken a record? I went pending on 5/24 and was approved on 6/4cyclone72 wrote:pending means if your legal to have one it will be anywhere from 12 to 28 days till approval,it's purgatory really,its whan they start to review your paperwork and have not given the final nod yet.gimp2x wrote:I just checked on my form 1
mailed: 4/29
pending: 5/24
approved: ??
received: ??
What does pending mean??
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Devil_Dawg
- Silent Operator
- Posts: 59
- Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:18 pm
- Location: State of Indiana, United States of America
- Contact:
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bonebreak2000
- Silent But Deadly
- Posts: 1211
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- Location: Albuquerque, NM
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carry-a-big-stick
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- Posts: 302
- Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:51 pm
- Location: Exeter NH
check mailed 6/5
check cashed 6/12
pending 7/3
?
check cashed 6/12
pending 7/3
?
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bonebreak2000
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I used the number on the bottom of this page. Just let them know you are calling to inquire on a status. You will need to have the serial number to give them so they can look it up.carry-a-big-stick wrote:check mailed 6/5
check cashed 6/12
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How do you find out if it is pending/approved?
http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/nfab/index.htm
I'd give it a week or so before calling if they cashed it today. Mine took about a week to go to pending but others have seen faster times.
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Stan_TheGunNut
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- Contact:
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ljtfisherman
- Member
- Posts: 24
- Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:46 am
- Location: CT
Checks cashed
Mailed 6-9
Check cashed on the 6-13-07 and one on 6-14-07
How do I find out when pending?
Pending ?
Approved ?
Lawson
Check cashed on the 6-13-07 and one on 6-14-07
How do I find out when pending?
Pending ?
Approved ?
Lawson
Re: Checks cashed
call 6/19,it takes 1-5 days in my experience to go from check cashed to pending.ljtfisherman wrote:Mailed 6-9
Check cashed on the 6-13-07 and one on 6-14-07
How do I find out when pending?
Pending ?
Approved ?
Lawson
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ljtfisherman
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Thank You
Thanks for the info!
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chrismartin
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Form 1 SBR...
Total Time for Form 1: 30 days (Door to door)
2 Days mail to ATF
5 Days to cash check
20 Days to approve
3 Days mail from the ATF
Mail Form 1 05/16/07
Received approved form 1 06/15/07
Trust
2 Days mail to ATF
5 Days to cash check
20 Days to approve
3 Days mail from the ATF
Mail Form 1 05/16/07
Received approved form 1 06/15/07
Trust
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rogue007
- Senior Silent Operator
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AAC M4-1000
Mailed: 5/29
Check Cashed: 6/11
Pending: 6/21
Examiner: Andrew Ashton
Approved:
Received:
Trust
Where do I call to see if it has been approved?
Mailed: 5/29
Check Cashed: 6/11
Pending: 6/21
Examiner: Andrew Ashton
Approved:
Received:
Trust
Where do I call to see if it has been approved?
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[Mythbusters] Am I missing an eyebrow? [/Mythbusters]
This was with a form being kicked back because that dealer and I both missed a block that needed filled in. That took about 8 days back and forth.
YHM Phantom 5.56 individual transfer:
Form 4 mailed: 5-12-07
Pending: 5-25-07
Picked up: 6-18-07 (same day dealer received F4 from ATF)
YHM Phantom 5.56 individual transfer:
Form 4 mailed: 5-12-07
Pending: 5-25-07
Picked up: 6-18-07 (same day dealer received F4 from ATF)
Don't fight to survive or you have already lost. Fight to WIN!
Form 4 w/CLEO sign off for 2 cans (M41K and Warlock)
Mailed: 6/1/07
Checks Cashed: 06/04/07
Approved: 06/25/07
Picked Up: 06/29-07
Warlock's amazingly sick quiet!
Mailed: 6/1/07
Checks Cashed: 06/04/07
Approved: 06/25/07
Picked Up: 06/29-07
Warlock's amazingly sick quiet!
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Illuminaughty
- Senior Silent Operator
- Posts: 108
- Joined: Thu May 24, 2007 6:17 pm
- Location: Sandusky, Ohio
- Contact:
Gemtech Blackside
Mailed - 5/25/07
Check still hasn't been cashed, still haven't been approved! Waiting!!
Check cashed - 7/16/07
Mailed - 5/25/07
Check still hasn't been cashed, still haven't been approved! Waiting!!
Check cashed - 7/16/07
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AAC Cyclone
Form 4 - Corporation
Mailed: 6/4/2007
Check Cleared: 6/11/2007
Pending: 07/03/2007
Approved: 07/09/2007
Arrived via USPS: 07/16/2007
Picked Up: YES
Form 4 - Corporation
Mailed: 6/4/2007
Check Cleared: 6/11/2007
Pending: 07/03/2007
Approved: 07/09/2007
Arrived via USPS: 07/16/2007
Picked Up: YES
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Umlaut Industries LLC
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cardboardkiller
- Senior Silent Operator
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- Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:23 am
Trust Form 4 SBR
Mailed: 5/28/2007
Check Cleared: 6/4/2007
Called: Called on 6/28/2007 and was told to call back on the July 9th. I wonder if IRS refund purchases are the cause.
Approved: 7/09/2007
Picked Up: 7/17/2007
Mailed: 5/28/2007
Check Cleared: 6/4/2007
Called: Called on 6/28/2007 and was told to call back on the July 9th. I wonder if IRS refund purchases are the cause.
Approved: 7/09/2007
Picked Up: 7/17/2007
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