Saiga Shotguns ATF about to rule "no sporting purpose"

[generaldisarray]

Simple solution
Completely US made Saigas

[ROFuher]

I understand your point there, but if one has already gone to the trouble of replacing foreign with US parts to make the magic number 10, what would then adding a light or rail have to do with 922r?

Please forgive me if I am missing a nuance more obvious than the side of a barn.

[-k-]

If you just want to add a flashlight to your Benelli = 922r violation. If you have enough US parts it's not considered an imported shotgun so you can add whatever you want.

[trey_phish83]

ok, make them on our soil and call it cool.

[ROFuher]

If you just want to add a flashlight to your Benelli = 922r violation. If you have enough US parts it's not considered an imported shotgun so you can add whatever you want.

I see the light, regards. Those basterds!

Could this be strong enough to challenge the whole sporting purpose?
Shotguns are absolutely suitable as home defensive weapons.?
Who would not agree a tactical light in the home is not a good idea if the owner wants one.?
Can the government limit us to US shotguns in the home?

I can see the first response would be tough s--t--a Remington or Mosberg & a light costs less than a Benelli or 922r Saiga alone. "Home owners have plenty of more economical and equally suitable options."

[700PSS]

ok, make them on our soil and call it cool.

Exactly! Problem solved. The market is there for it too. (Arsenal, Inc.)

[-k-]

You really think there is a market for $800 + Saigas?

[HILMAN76]

ok, make them on our soil and call it cool.

Exactly! Problem solved. The market is there for it too. (Arsenal, Inc.)

I hope its not CAI doing the assembly.

[silencertalk]

Shotguns are absolutely suitable as home defensive weapons.?
Who would not agree a tactical light in the home is not a good idea if the owner wants one.?
Can the government limit us to US shotguns in the home?

Skeet, trap, and rabbit hunting are what we are allowed to have imported shotguns for. Home defense is not a legitimate use for a rifle or shotgun according to the ATF and plays no role in sporting purpose determination.

Someone needs to sue and end the sporting purpose concept.

[mcinfantry]

Shotguns are absolutely suitable as home defensive weapons.?
Who would not agree a tactical light in the home is not a good idea if the owner wants one.?
Can the government limit us to US shotguns in the home?

Skeet, trap, and rabbit hunting are what we are allowed to have imported shotguns for. Home defense is not a legitimate use for a rifle or shotgun according to the ATF and plays no role in sporting purpose determination.

Someone needs to sue and end the sporting purpose concept.

Don't encourage kwik2sue... To sue.

[HILMAN76]

Shotguns are absolutely suitable as home defensive weapons.?
Who would not agree a tactical light in the home is not a good idea if the owner wants one.?
Can the government limit us to US shotguns in the home?

Skeet, trap, and rabbit hunting are what we are allowed to have imported shotguns for. Home defense is not a legitimate use for a rifle or shotgun according to the ATF and plays no role in sporting purpose determination.

Someone needs to sue and end the sporting purpose concept.

Don't encourage kwik2sue... To sue.

[hedonistic]

Legislation without representation.

Why does the BATFE get to be all 3 branches of the government?

No s--t

The shotgun is considered imported if more than ten of the 922r listed parts are foreign made.

It is illegal to make an imported shotgun into a configuration that cannot be imported as sporting.

So if I import the gun disassemble it and sell it to you as parts then its not a gun, right?
And is that not what the whole 922r thing is parts counting to make it legal?

[hedonistic]

You really think there is a market for $800 + Saigas?

Ask tromix and about 3 dozen other companies selling them.

[Twinsen]

Shotguns are absolutely suitable as home defensive weapons.?
Who would not agree a tactical light in the home is not a good idea if the owner wants one.?
Can the government limit us to US shotguns in the home?

Skeet, trap, and rabbit hunting are what we are allowed to have imported shotguns for. Home defense is not a legitimate use for a rifle or shotgun according to the ATF and plays no role in sporting purpose determination.

Someone needs to sue and end the sporting purpose concept.

Don't encourage kwik2sue... To sue.

If he did, it'd be awesome.

[-k-]

You really think there is a market for $800 + Saigas?

Ask tromix and about 3 dozen other companies selling them.

That is a Saiga PLUS a bunch of mods. How about a bone stock Saiga at $800?

[hedonistic]

You really think there is a market for $800 + Saigas?

Ask tromix and about 3 dozen other companies selling them.

That is a Saiga PLUS a bunch of mods. How about a bone stock Saiga at $800?

If they changed bone stock to what it should be, look like an AK and work with near AK relibility they hell yes they would sell @ $800. as is that would be almost like a pot metal pistol for $800.00.

[Blaubart]

If he did, it'd be awesome.

Oh yeah, super awesome!

Quiksue takes it all the way to the Supreme Court, representing himself, and loses, as usual. Then the judges have another legal precident to lean back on. Just what we need.

[kwikrnu]

I'd have to be damaged in some way to file suit or I would not have standing. I have a Saiga 12 so how have I been damaged?

[hedonistic]

What if they declare it a DD? What if you want another. What if it's an encroachment on your freedom and a vilotion of more than of the ideals this country was founded on.

What if you already have kids and I Kick you in the nuts until they turn to jelly?

I know I'd be doing the world a favor and all but it dose not hurt because your nuts already did what they where supposed to right?

What the hell do I care they are just the rights of someone else not mine.

[Twinsen]

If he did, it'd be awesome.

Oh yeah, super awesome!

Quiksue takes it all the way to the Supreme Court, representing himself, and loses, as usual. Then the judges have another legal precident to lean back on. Just what we need.

That is a good point. The legal system is an ol' boys club after all. Impossible to win at that level without a huge cash backing and people who know people on your side.

[generaldisarray]

We can impersonate Johnny Letter and tell BArfTE what we think of their "opinion"
mailto:[email protected]

Linky
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Feder ... px?id=6207

"Comments should be sent to BATFE no later than May 1, 2011, at [email protected], or by fax to (202) 648-9601. Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages. All comments must include name and mailing address."

[DHunter]

E-mail sent.

[Tyris]

You really think there is a market for $800 + Saigas?

Ask tromix and about 3 dozen other companies selling them.

That is a Saiga PLUS a bunch of mods. How about a bone stock Saiga at $800?

If they're dumb enough to pay $1500 for an AR15, they'll do $800 for a Saiga.

-T

[strobro32]

Never ask if I'm dumb enough...


If it is USA made and $800, here's my shopping list..

stainless steel and wood
non reciprocating left side charging handle
pistol grip
top folding stock
bottom and top only accessory rail
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and

stick mags
magwell
ambi mag release

or

bull pump
dual tubular mags (selectable)
slam fire capable
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[hedonistic]

Bottom line if it where US made it would look like an AK the reason it is "sporterized" is so that it can be imported. Make it in the US with QUALITY CONTROL and at least average materials and yes $800.00 they will still fly off the shelf. I am still waiting for my Kushnapup stock. As much as I hate to admit it I must have the KSG when it comes out.