Defund Police???

[Historian]

The Marxist-Socialist wet-dream of weakening America from within is coming to fruition.

All the uproar against those city counsel member's lunacy
misses an important consequence of their dangerous
thinking: the danger to innocent citizens when
thugs assault them or invade their homes.

May I proffer a serious suggestion derived from
one of Newton's Conservation Laws, their actions
should have a reaction from the victims of their stupidity:

Their pictures, addresses, telephone numbers should be forthwith
published so that a victims of a home-invasion, rape, robbery,
bodily harm will be able to visit one of the counsel, report the crime
and request their immediate help.

Since the citizenry is paying their salaries ergo they
should be paid only as long as they respond and help the victims.

Seriously. Gate-community liberals who up to now safely advocate victimization of
the plebes should now share the pain.

Our hearts and support go out to every brother and sister in blue who
do their duty honorably. and have to tolerate the taint from the few who
bescmirch the shield.

Pictures Now!

Peaceful protest.

[poikilotrm]

How about a workable solution instead?

The major problems with LE today are police unions, and qualified immunity. A lesser, but still significant problem is the fact that they are government employees.

The solution is simple, and quite doable. Every four years, a bid goes out to contract for LE duties. Wackenhut, GS, and other security companies submit bids. The bidder then provides standard LE services. If the bidder fails to restrain bad personnel, they lose the contract. Individual security personnel are no longer protected by qualified immunity, no more Garrity, and they can be charged and sued just as easily as anybody else.

I am prior LE. I have also been a bartender, a bouncer, private security domestically and overseas, and a doctor. I have had to restrain people on numerous occasions. I always did so with maximum restraint, because with scumbags, I could have been sued, and with demented or insane people I used respect for others as my guide.

Never, not once, did I ever body slam someone, just because I could. I have seen videos of cops doing exactly that to children. Do you want that to stop? Do you want cops to stop throwing flash bangs into occupied cribs? Want them to stop shooting through walls to murder sleeping children? Implement my plan.

[Historian]

My compliments to you, Polkilotrm. Thank you for sharing your admirable
background! A breath of exhilarating fresh air given the fetid
miasma that we have had to continually endure for the last
few days.

You said it all. And forcefully.

We will always have the backs of the majority of the unsung, descent,
honorable, and unappreciated 'Blue' Brothers & Sisters and their families.

Best.

[0101silent]

The Marxist-Socialist wet-dream of weakening America from within is coming to fruition.

All the uproar against those city counsel member's lunacy
misses an important consequence of their dangerous
thinking: the danger to innocent citizens when
thugs assault them or invade their homes.

May I proffer a serious suggestion derived from
one of Newton's Conservation Laws, their actions
should have a reaction from the victims of their stupidity:

Their pictures, addresses, telephone numbers should be forthwith
published so that a victims of a home-invasion, rape, robbery,
bodily harm will be able to visit one of the counsel, report the crime
and request their immediate help.

Since the citizenry is paying their salaries ergo they
should be paid only as long as they respond and help the victims.

Seriously. Gate-community liberals who up to now safely advocate victimization of
the plebes should now share the pain.

Our hearts and support go out to every brother and sister in blue who
do their duty honorably. and have to tolerate the taint from the few who
bescmirch the shield.

Pictures Now!

Peaceful protest.

Historian, would you suggest that the fire department only be paid as long as they respond to their victims? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcWFpxEBuOI

How about the police in Parkland? https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 82035.html

In Parkland there were many protests involving students standing outside refusing to enter the school. I'm assuming that they were standing in solidarity with the police officers that responded to both the Colombine and the Parkland massacres but I could be wrong .

Historian, I agree that defunding the police without a viable replacement plan in place is a terrible idea. I also think that it would be very entertaining. I'm sure that without taxpayer funds that the police would get by just fine with increased civil forfeiture. The poor would be largely ignored. The middle class and rich would feed the police. No longer would big business be too big to prosecute (or just forfeit property). Operations like the Rampart Scandal would expand beyond measure.

Poikilotrm has an excellent idea. Remembering how private police put down coal mining unions I would be optimistic but cautious.

[Historian]

0101silent, I am confused how you could infer from the above
" .. Historian, would you suggest that the fire department only be paid as long as they respond to their victims? "

Summary of above: Full time police are necessary for the safety of the public,
protection of society, and 'shield-wall' against the the insidious undermining
of America by Marxists. And they should be paid 'combat pay' commensurate
with the daily dangers they constantly face.

The mythic thinking elected fools must be held responsible for
the damage they are proposing. First step is to publish their images,
addresses, telephone so that if they do defund the police they must
be available to be contacted by victims of no police. The city council folks
actually state that if your home is invaded you should sit down with the invader
and talk things out and then call a social worker. Gasp!

Hope I corrected my intent.


Best.

[0101silent]

Historian, I believe that I understand your point clearly. I took the opportunity to provoke your insight into other issues, I should have politely asked you to share your wisdom. I'm interested in your opinion on any subject.

I believe that the politicians calling for defunding the police have no intent of doing so. They're just pandering to one group while getting the majority to beg for more police. I could be wrong. Many things this year have defied my logic.

I do think that it is criminal that a fire department is on the clock collecting a $100,000 salary doing nothing while fires burn. I don't see how this can be justified.

I'm not very familiar with Marxism. I've had opportunities to read his books but I've had no interest in the subject. Maybe because I know how the story ends.

Travel restrictions with Europe, a border wall, only essential travel, food shortages, controlled economy, troops in the streets, essential work according to his ability, stimulus payments and grants each to his need...

[0101silent]

...Full time police are necessary for the safety of the public,
protection of society, and 'shield-wall' against the the insidious undermining
of America by Marxists. And they should be paid 'combat pay' commensurate
with the daily dangers they constantly face.

I remember a very old book. Its been a while since I read it. Please forgive and correct any inaccuracies if you've also read the book.

The book describes several nations with the same values and the same laws. The nations didn't have a police force, president or king. The was only a judiciary including officers of the court. If a citizen had any grievance with someone they brought their problems to the judge that administered justice fairly. If someone was killed the citizen that did the killing had to immediately report the killing and explain why the killing was justified. If the citizen didn't immediately report the killing then it was assumed to be murder. Any judgments were enforced by the grieved party, the community, and the officers of the court.

There were no officers patrolling looking for wrong doing. There was no one to respond to a crime in progress except the community. The severe and swift punishments ordered by the judge was the deterrent.

During this time the nations were strong, they conquered others and they could not be defeated. The people were also strong and independent. One day they decided that they wanted a king. They were warned about taxes, police, and extrajudicial executive orders but did not listen. The kings weakened the peoples independence and took away their personal wealth.

I wonder if the USA would be better off in the time of the judges.

--Rhetorical questions--
Do these officers deserve combat pay for standing by why a building is vandalized? https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/01/cops-los ... rge-floyd/

Should the Boston Police force receive combat pay or be disbanded when half a platoon of officers destroy their own vehicles? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYJMmS ... e=youtu.be

[Historian]

0101silent, you do bring up some intriguing thoughts.

In an ideal world there would be an empathy test of people
in childhood and the ones without empathy possessing sociopathic
tendency would be 'retrained' with advanced therapy.

Until then the evil of so many of our species as evidenced by
the descendants of simian troops in present day rioting, looting of
their neighbors,law breaking, etc., must be quelled.

The US Constitution is unique in human societal evolution in
that it puts humans above property above systems. Limits
government powers. The dangerous leftists sewers, including
elected Blue politicians, are trying to revert back to the ruling
of the many by the self profiting few.

The chaos generators permeating out cities must be,
as we all should be ROOTING for, extirpated*.

*Who said 6 years of Latin was a waste of time.

[0101silent]

0101silent, you do bring up some intriguing thoughts.

In an ideal world there would be an empathy test of people
in childhood and the ones without empathy possessing sociopathic
tendency would be 'retrained' with advanced therapy.

Until then the evil of so many of our species as evidenced by
the descendants of simian troops in present day rioting, looting of
their neighbors,law breaking, etc., must be quelled.

The US Constitution is unique in human societal evolution in
that it puts humans above property above systems. Limits
government powers. The dangerous leftists sewers, including
elected Blue politicians, are trying to revert back to the ruling
of the many by the self profiting few.

The chaos generators permeating out cities must be,
as we all should be ROOTING for, extirpated*.

*Who said 6 years of Latin was a waste of time.

Historian, I agree. The recent events and your use of of "extirpated" reminds me of another story in the series that I referenced earlier.

...There were several cities with many terrible people that couldn't be retrained or redeemed. The only practical thing to do was to destroy the cities and repopulate them with decent people from the surrounding areas. There was a decent man that protested that many good people would be destroyed along with the bad. It was agreed that the city wouldn't be destroyed with the good people remaining. The few good people were told to leave and the moment they left the cities were destroyed...

I see the good peaceful protesters being attacked and strongly encouraged to leave, and they do. If they stay they will surely be destroyed. Any other good people are discouraged from going to the cities. The rioters and looters remain unmolested and it draws more thieves and vandals from all over the country into these cities. The good cops stay home sick, the bad cops are drawn in for the excitement and overtime pay. If there is anytime that is appropriate for a city to be destroyed... If there is anytime for a police department to be defunded... and replaced... this is it.

I base my opinion on videos like these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39VvCUrSmY Peaceful protesters being forced away from Capital Hill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6df3fSKQyo -Looters and Rioters left alone while protesters are attacked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfdlbQTj7Fs -Destruction of property by police and other acts.
Unfortunately my favorite video has been memory holed. Even my downloaded copy is gone.