Surefire vs AAC Lawsuit?

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Surefire vs AAC Lawsuit?

Post by native » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:51 pm

Date of article 12/18/08 here - Surefire sues AAC
Dem lawyers gotta make coin toooo...

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Post by Blaubart » Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:55 pm

For the record, I did not know that the silencer that the AAC silencer was compared to was a Surefire silencer.
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Post by silencertalk » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:04 pm

They made claims which seem impossible:

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So when we tested it to be sure, we did not get past the 500 round range.

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Post by renegade » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:04 pm

Blaubart wrote:For the record, I did not know that the silencer that the AAC silencer was compared to was a Surefire silencer.
Neither did I.

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Post by renegade » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:13 pm

rsilvers wrote:They made claims which seem impossible:
I am sure the Army would love to know how to fire an M4 that fast for more than 600 rounds before failure, since they were not able to do it. Never mind with a silencer on it.

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Post by Doink67 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:16 pm

can we get a copy of the ad, I think i've seen it, but I'm not sure.
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Post by paco ramirez » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:17 pm

I think Surefire made a "mistake". Their can certainly didn't get close to 50 magazines full auto in the one pictured below.



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Post by silencertalk » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:18 pm

Surefire would like it to be made clear that the unpainted, unfinished non-black silencer on the right has not been fired.

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Post by Blaubart » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:28 pm

rsilvers wrote:Surefire would like it to be made clear that the unpainted, unfinished non-black silencer on the right has not been fired.
It was clear to me when I first saw the comparison a while back. I thought it was a little biased to show a fired can next to an unfired can, but welcome to the world of advertising.

Now, if you had captioned the photos:

SureFire Silencer after 5 rounds compared to AAC Silencer after 5,000 rounds. That might be grounds for a false advertising lawsuit.
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Post by hs338lapua » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:44 pm

Post a picture of this core.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRX-lxUV0Ts

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Post by Doink67 » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:53 pm

damn you robert, with the PDW you have posted, I envy you! :D :D
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Post by silencertalk » Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:57 pm

hs338lapua wrote:Post a picture of this core.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRX-lxUV0Ts
Good find. Yes, the cores are insanely durable with the type of welds we use.

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Post by Broadway » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:33 am

rsilvers wrote:Surefire would like it to be made clear that the unpainted, unfinished non-black silencer on the right has not been fired.
I suppose that distinction would be important if the the inward or outward hygienic appearance of a can somehow contributed to its' sound lowering qualities and/or longevity. Weak........:roll:

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Post by Conqueror » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:46 am

renegade wrote:
Blaubart wrote:For the record, I did not know that the silencer that the AAC silencer was compared to was a Surefire silencer.
Neither did I.
I did, and I pointed it out as soon as AAC released that ad. No other well-known competing brand has that single weld ring near the muzzle end.

This is a pointless lawsuit. Surefire will be embarrassed when AAC brings up Barry Dueck's asinine claim. And most of their claims in the lawsuit seem really thin, like saying AAC "modified" the pictured surefire silencer to make it fail (how the hell would they know that or be able to prove it?).

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Post by silencertalk » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:54 am

There are plenty of ads which name competitors or show their distinctive profile:

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http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple ... 80x272.mov

This would be like Microsoft alleging that Apple gives the false impression that PCs are more difficult to use and saying you can tell they are saying "Vista."

Weak.

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Post by silencertalk » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:18 am

and passing something written by a gunwriter as a Surefire advertisement is a level of stupid I haven't seen yet this week.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b ... 240&page=2

I believe this was in the surefire-owned magazine and is an infomercial. Surefire seems to have editorial control and also it was a direct quote of Surefire's silencer designer. Thirdly the same 1500 round claim is posted on Surefire's website.

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Post by paco ramirez » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:26 am

People on Arfcom.... :roll: :evil:

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Post by SC-Texas » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:58 am


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Post by gunn24 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:35 am

Way to start the new year! I smell a counter-suit.

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Post by RyanB » Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:31 am

Countersuit for what?

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Post by Twinsen » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:14 am

For lawyer fees.

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Post by RyanB » Wed Dec 31, 2008 5:19 am

Doubt thats going to happen.

The advertisement was poorly considered. I don't know if it rises to the point of being a matter for a lawsuit, but seriously, why compare can thats been fired and cross sectioned to a can that hasn't had a finish added?

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Post by PPGMD » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:34 am

You know I will say that the can on the right is clearly a Surefire can, but I can only tell because of their crappy welds, only Surefire cans have welds that bad.
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Post by ArevaloSOCOM » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:06 am

I love silencer company drama.

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Post by MisterWilson » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:55 am

PPGMD wrote:You know I will say that the can on the right is clearly a Surefire can, but I can only tell because of their crappy welds, only Surefire cans have welds that bad.
I think that you would have known which one was a Surefire can about as well as you know left from right.
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